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Prerecorded Tapes / Re: New music on RTR?!
« on: August 19, 2008, 10:17:32 PM »
I will be interested in others opinions.
Although not really in the same league with TP tapes, this is nonetheless interesting recoded art.
I bought these fair and square BTW, no free tape for a good review or anything.
Let him run off a copy - literally for you !

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Prerecorded Tapes / Re: New music on RTR?!
« on: August 19, 2008, 09:37:13 PM »
I have never attempted an album review before but here goes...

I got a brown paper wrapped parcel in the mail pretty quickly after having had a nice email discussion about recording with Donny Lang, whose project this seems to be. (partial comments from his emails at the end of this post)
Inside the paper inside bubble wrap was an Emtec (I think) blue 7" reel box with the same album artwork of the "stick figure" people mentioned above on the front in color ( the CD is black and white and yes I got that too to compare) and the song credits on the back.
Inside was again I think an Emtec reel partially full. The format is 4 track stereo, both sides  @ 3.75 ips.

The project/album is called  "magic hero vs. rock people" It is quite long at about one hour of music and 20 songs. It is also somewhat ambitious in it's production with instrumentation and layring varying from sparse guitar and vocal to multiple layers. In fact there are a couple of sound collages. In this sense as in many others it seems to have been transported through a time warp from about 1970.
I will get the nitpicking negatives out of the way so I can tell you how much I enjoyed this music.

First, it is anything but the sterile souless perfect digital production we have come to expect today. It is not even really that "HiFi" much less audiophile quality. It is a small independent production using 70s-80s project studio technology. There are a few mic. breath pops and "artsy" "sloppy" edits - remember all those "let the tape roll" studio albums with the rough starts and stops left in? This is much better than that. And the main vocalist is not going to overwhelm you with his voice. At times he sounds a bit like modern grunge, at others like early Cat Stevens. He  is a singer songwriter doing quirky rhymes that seem to fit with the textures of the music which are the main pint it seems. The music itself is inventive and interesting. It has surf influences including one surf instrumental. It has layered acoustic and electric guitars and old sounding string and vocal synths a la Moody Blues. It has the occasional xylophone or sleigh bells or fiddle or mandolin for extra texture here and there. It has sound effects and the aforementioned collages. It is kind of over the top, but very melodic and accessible but just weird enough to hold my interest. For as long as it is, and as many songs, I will say there is not one I didn't like, and that is pretty rare for me. Some, to be sure, are sort of short "songlets" that are not as well developed as others. Another interesting trend from the past. The music is sort of psychedelic / folk as advertised. Done by someone too young to remember either genre in its 60s form (as well as the recording technology) from it's first time around. If all that sounds appealing I think you will love this musically. If it sounds appalling, you won't.

So, how's the sound? Well, good and not so good. I listened first to the CD on my CD walkman with headphones last night as I was going to sleep. I was transported. It is wonderful headphone stuff. I listend to the CD in my car again driving around. I can say that there the music held my attention more than the audio quality, but was still quite acceptable. I listened to the reel on my Akai deck (3 3/4 remember) on my home system. The sound there was best described as truly vintage. Well recorded, not too compressed, but not too open either. In my case, perhaps owing to the vagaries of 3 3/4 eq on my machine it sounded somewhat bass and treble exaggerated but didn't go too low or too high. I compared the CD on the same system. More neutral, but somehow less, engaging is the word I think I want to use. I listened to both in ambiance recovery surround mode too and the reel seemed more "stereo" with more surround information present, though mono parts still were rock solid in the phantom center.  There was just the tinest bit of flutter too. I'm pretty sensitive to it and it wasn't bad like an 8 track at that speed. In all fairness it could be the Akai. To be determined. I will have to give it a better listen on another machine that plays that speed.
So, for now, with my machine, at home, I prefer the CD sound but it's not over yet. The tape, even with it's almost caricature of analog sound, has something to hold me. Perhaps the best compromise would be if he can make it available at additional charge at 7.5 ips.
I would say, musically, if you like this stuff, very much worth the investment, at least for the CD. As to the reel to reel aspect, see his comments below, but I think 7.5 would suit it better. Or I need a better 3.75 tape machine. It does sound fine playing good 7.5 stereo or quad (does that too) pre-recorded tapes.

It is truly art in the best sense because of the music and format and I think we here should support him just for trying something this ambitious.


 
Some email responses (used without permission) by the amazing person behind this:

"I would have to rearrange the sequence of tracks to make it fit on a reel at 7.5 ips, side one is a bit longer ... the album actually runs almost 62 minutes,
 
also, i know this may sound strange, but the album itself has a "lo fi / vintage hi fi" type of sound to it, i think that 3.75 ips actually suits the material better than 7.5 ips.  i am used to hearing those old capitol beach boys reels at 3.75 ips and have come to have a certain fondness for the traditional format
 
another reason is the cost of tape (and shipping!) and time involved ... in order to keep it down, i chose 3.75 ips so that i don't have to charge more than $25
 
in all honesty, the purpose of this endeavor is not audiofile fidelity, but an appreciation for the experience of listening to music on a physical format ... people are familiar with cassettes, vinyl (and even 8 track), but many have never experienced the joy of owning and listening to R2R ... in my fantasy, i would hope that people would be able to get any standard little R2R at a thrift store or something (or eBay) and be able to buy new music tapes for it!  so i think 3.75 works real well for this album project
 
the original master was recorded on 1/2" 8 track at 15 ips (Teac 80-8) and mixed at 15 ips 2-track (Teac 3300-2T), so it's not the ultimate "pro" equipment anyway."

"i have a fascination with 60s recording technology and i truly feel that less is more.  i also have an idea to record a whole song (or even album) with just a 4 track and an SM57 with no EQ allowed ... because neccessity is the mother of invention and when you set limits on yourself, you become much more creative.
 
that's the analog experience too ... the limitations cause you to be more creative.  for instance, if you have a perfect take except the drummer hit a rim, most people in the digital world would fly in a previously recorded snare hit.  but in analog (at least my kind of analog), you think ... what to do, what to do, and you come up with an idea like an extra cymbal crash or the sound of lightning striking or a gong or something to cover it up ... then the song surprisingly becomes way cooler.  people say, "that's so weird that they have that lightning strike at that spot!"  ... another thing is recording over things ... sometimes happy accidents occur, where you leave in a small part from another track that wasn't supposed to be there, that just can't happen in a computer but i'm sure you already know that
 
in the 60s they have limited options but REAL HIGH QUALITY gear ... the rooms were important, you couldn't just flip a dial to get more mids, you had to change mic placement etc ... that's why those records sound so good i reckon!"
 

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General Discussion / Re: Another great tape story
« on: August 19, 2008, 11:11:12 AM »
I attempted to post the following comment to the blog there because someone had asked if the recordings would have been in stereo or mono and in what tape format in roughly the 50s era:

Regarding the previous comment, FM stereo was not available till about 1963 and stereo tape recorders for consumer use were not common much before that.
So these were hopefully made by a 50s "HiFi" enthusiast with a good FM tuner and good mono tape recorder. Most for home use were 1/2 track mono with the tape being recorded both directions.
FM and still some AM stations took quality seriously in the 50s, and getting an excellent recording of a symphony off the air was considered a serious expression of dedication to ones hobby then.
So if everything was "right" regarding the broadcast quality and his reception and tape machine these could potentially be very Hi Fi even by today's standards. Pity they are not available.

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Some versions of the Revox A77 at least, came with all the right stuff - the big 4 - 10.5" reel, 15 ips., 2 track stereo heads, AND CCIR eq ! (compatible).
But most were 7.5/3.75 with 1/4 track stereo heads and later ones (including the B77 ?) dropped the other eq switching in favor of built in Dolby NR.
So, the ideal version as a stock machine is rare.

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Reel to Reel Tape Machines / Re: What can be done with ... TEAC A3340S
« on: August 17, 2008, 11:43:34 PM »
Hi as was stated before, the head configuration is wrong. The 3340 in it's various versions was designed for 4 channel 4 track recording on 1/4" tape. That is 4 tracks one direction, 4 sets of electronics. It's smaller brother the 2340 was 7" reels and 7.5 /3.75 speeds, but you are correct that the 3340 will take 10.5" reels and run at 15 ips.  But those are only 2 of the requirements for Tape Project tapes, the IEC/CCIR equalization can be accomplished with a direct head output to other electronics or possibly modifying the Teac electronics, but you WILL have to replace the play head with a compatable 2 track 2 channel stereo one. If you try to play a 2 track tape with a 4 track head it won't be in alignment. You could change the head height so 2 of the 4 tracks are centered on the 2 tracks of the 2 channel tape, and indeed some early stereo machines had a mechanical switch to do so, but the results are not optimum for such a premium high fidelity medium as the Tape Project tapes (or any other standard 2 track 15 ips. master tape) I don't even know if you could shift it mechanically that much within the constraints of the head and mounting system design. The 3340 in short, is half a solution with extra baggage in terms of another set of record/play electronics, sync switching etc. you don't need for this application. At least find a deck with a 2 track stereo  play head that runs at 15 ips and takes 10.5" reels, then all you will have to deal with is the EQ issue.

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Prerecorded Tapes / Re: quad tape ?
« on: August 11, 2008, 08:40:15 PM »
At the risk of veering seriously OT here I remember one of those programs from my early 70s High school days of a live concert with 2 FM stereo stations carrying the front and rear channels PLUS video from a local TV station ! This was from San Francisco. I think they did more than one, but the one I remember featured a new emerging artist - Linda Ronstadt.
I had no four channel means of recording the audio then - much less the video.

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Just got a
Pioneer RT-2022 (RTU-11/2T transport and 1 TAU-11 rec./play electronics module)
This is the 2 channel 2 track version of the modular Pioneer machine with the JT-2022T head block.
It can also be 4 channel with another TAU-11 and the JT-2044T head block. That version is called the RT-2044.
As with the RT-1050 mentioned above, it will do IEC at 15ips.

I have an Otari 5050 but not being a "B" it has no IEC EQ and it is also a 4 channel version with the wrong head block.

I also have various and sundry other older transports and tube recorders that fit the speed, reel size and track configuration parameters, but not the EQ.
These would include an Ampex 354 with the stereo electronics, an Ampex 351 with the 2 mono electronics packages, a  Crown unit, a rather unique, small American Concertone Mark VII  from around 1958, and an intriguing early Teac transport only called the TD-321 which appears to be their "clone" of an Ampex 350 series. The Concertone and Teac also have an additional switchable 4th 1/4 track play head. The Crown is 2 head but 2 track! The Teac (and the Crown I think) have electrical speed change plus belt speed change to give 15/7.5 or 7.5/3.75ips.

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Tape Project Albums - general / Re: TP-02, 03, 05 and 08
« on: August 11, 2008, 12:46:01 PM »
Regarding Nagras,

you wrote:
"Well, and now you can. Sadly, you can pick them up for a few hundred dollars on eBay. Stefan must be rolling in his grave."
 
Where ? When? I have been looking (well not every day) on Ebay and see worn beat up non-stereo film machines going for or at least people attempting to get thousands for them. I would love to have a not even cosmetically perfect one that was standard 2 track stereo, never mind the film sync stuff, that worked OK for even $1K !


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Tape Project Albums - general / Re: Latest shipping News
« on: August 11, 2008, 12:25:25 PM »
Check elswhere on the forum or Tape Project site, but I believe the plan was to fulfill the first  Charter subscriptions  as each album becomes available then go back and take care of others. They can't run all titles simultaneously and it is a time consuming real time duplication process.
I am a selective subscriber - number 111, joined in March and received tapes 001 and 002 so far in early July.

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Prerecorded Tapes / Re: quad tape ?
« on: August 11, 2008, 12:06:05 PM »
All of the facts previously stated are correct as far as I know, but
I am now going to step into it here with all the definitions that got tossed about through the years for pro, semi-pro and amateur formats. You can play a 4 channel tape on a 4 track recorder - that is one like a Teac 3340 for example, that records and plays four tracks in one direction with the aforementioned 4 track head(s).  4 track was typically used as more of a pro term for the bigger machines to do multi-track recording. 4 channel or quadraphonic for the quad (Q4) tapes you mention and their home playback machines. 1/4 track for the standard stereo interlaced 2 channel consumer format that was just mentioned in the first reply, but confusingly the tapes are typically called 4 track because, well, they have 4 tracks  - an interlaced stereo pair running either direction. Another usage of 4 track was to quadruple time mono record a tape using the 2 track either direction for 4 track mono with 4 different programs.
Prerecorded reel to reel tapes were first introduced in the 2 channel  (stereo) 2 track format - a few early ones even with staggered head configuration where the left and right channels were displaced on the tape by a set amount for a few of the first consumer stereo machines that used 2 mono 1/2 track heads next to one another. Again, there is some confusion between 1/2 track mono (consumer) one mono track each direction on each side of the tape, and 2 track stereo which is typically the pro mastering standard at higher speeds (like the Tape Project tapes)
 I did not know if there were any other matrix encoded or carrier encoded quadraphonic systems for reel to reel tapes as there were for vinyl. I just knew about the 1/4 inch 4 channel ones (Q4) and the Q8 variation for four channel "8 track" with 2 four channel programs as opposed to the normal 4 two channel programs on 1/4" tape.
BTW, if you do play a Q4 quadraphonic reel on a 1/4 track machine, you will hear 2 channels of the quad mix (I forget if it would be front left and right or front left and rear left)

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Prerecorded Tapes / Re: New music on RTR?!
« on: August 06, 2008, 12:03:46 AM »
I just found a new listing for the CD on Ebay.
I also found their Myspace.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=243955618
You can hear some of the songs there and order the tape with a Paypal payment (which I did).

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Grounding is always an issue with low level signals. Sometimes just having 2 items in a given system tied together with the grounds of their power cords will create a ground loop. When I was connecting equipment for example with grounded power cords that was also grounded chassis to chassis in the same rack and grounded through pin one of XLR cables or other balanced connection, I almost always had to eliminate the balanced line ground at one end for lowest hum. Sometimes eliminating grounds helps more than adding more ground paths.
I will be going through the same issues with my Seduction kit soon. I wonder if instead of a single conductor unbalanced shielded cable wired to the RCA  jack inputs from the heads, if a 2 conductor balanced cable wired from the heads with the outputs to the RCA jacks and the shield terminated at the central chassis ground point of the preamp and floated at the tape head end would work better? That is to say, no connection to tape deck chassis ground at all except through power ground. Anybody tried this scheme?

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Prerecorded Tapes / Tails Out ?
« on: July 18, 2008, 09:59:39 AM »
I was thinking, I have just a handfull of 2 track prerecorded tapes (old ones). What, if any benefit would there be to storing these tails out like other studio masters? I know the practice has to do with print-through and whether the predominant echo is before or after the main program. Of course it is meaningless for any tape recorded in 2 directions. Is it less of an issue with old tape formulations that were lower output to begin with ? How do the 2 track collectors here store theirs ? They were not sold that way AFAIK. Most of the ones you might get today have probably not been stored that way for the majority of their life. So my question is also I guess about print-through. I know that altering the tape pack will theoretically change the contact points layer to layer so as to not reinforce the problem. But many old 2 tracks have sat in the same unplayed position for years and years.

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Thanks again. I was hoping for something simple like a remote plug or an optical sensor. I gather from what you are all saying that the strobe and LED on the idler has nothing to do with controlling the capstan servo  by directly measuring tape speed.
I am positive the tensioner switches work because releasing them in fast wind mode causes the machine to stop. In other words they seem to be functioning as control devices.
New Question. How does the machine control tape tension? I don't see the typical large/small reel switch. I thought perhaps the position of the tension arms but this does not seem to control reel torque as in some other designs I have seen. They seem to be simple switches. In fact I can see them being actuated with the back removed.

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I can say that my copy of  Elton John's "Tumbleweed Connection"  @ 3 3/4 ips. on UNi / Magtec is my "poster child" for bad quality prerecorded reels.  The highs are boosted and slurred and "mushy" in much the same way as some old cassettes (or bad MP3s). In fact I would bet a newer prerecorded cassette of this album would sound better than my reel (bought new by me BTW, back in the day)

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