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Tape Machine Maintenance
« on: July 06, 2010, 11:47:18 AM »
The Tape Project has been around for a while now as has this forum. It's great to see that folks of all levels of knowledge have been able to enjoy these wonderful releases and by hook or by crook, been able to get their machines running well enough to get the most out of these tapes.
I thought I'd post this little reminder that whatever machine you have, the mechanical aspects of your beloved machine does require regular maintenance.

It used to be that just about every hi fi repair shop had someone who was familiar enough with reel to reel to pull out a service manual and check stuff like tape tensions, examine the heads and brakes for even wear and clean the pots and tape path (maybe rotating fixed guides that have become worn) but of course that just isn't the case today. Those guys are still out there, but it usually takes a good bit of hunting to find one in your area.
I have to admit that I'm a little disappointed in the scant entries in the Service Resources forum here. I'd like to thank all the folks who've posted service locations but surely, there are more.
One good way to find repair guys is to ask on some of these forums. The Tape Trail over on Audio Asylum or the yahoo groups reel to reel forums would be a good starting place. Also, calling folks that still use magnetic tape (studios, radio stations, video production houses) could turn up the real pro's in your neighborhood.
If you've been doing all your own work, it's well worth taking your machine at least once, to someone that has all the test gear and knowledge to check your work and give you a baseline.

For most of us here, I think that doing, or having it done probably doesn't have to be done every year, but at least once every 2 years it should be done like clockwork. Performance of your  tape machine (or any machine for that matter) is always slipping down a tiny bit. Things like it's heads, guides, bearings, brakes, pinch rollers, and belts wear very gradually so it's difficult to hear the changes. Most of the areas of wear can be compensated for by tweaking the adjustments very slightly. Other things like bearings in the tape path and rubber parts can be cleaned and lubed or treated to keep them rolling and/or pliable in the case of belts and rollers.

One of the most important things is examining all the fixed (non rolling) surfaces that the tape travels across. The heads should be closely examined for even wear. I've read a many times that folks used to use some sort of special tape of marker that you could play and as it moved through the tape path, it would leave a trail of dark colored deposit behind and you could see the tape contact area. I'm sure Paul knows what I'm talking about and perhaps he could clue us in on the details. But, however you do it, the contact patch on the heads should be a nice, centered, symmetrical rectangle. If you heads are fairly new, you should be able to see this as a shiny area polished by the tape, but, you could be led astray if the head had been poorly adjusted at one time and the previous contact patch was larger than the new one.

Well, there's a lot more info about heads and maintenance items in the Beginner's Guide (located above this forum in a sticky).
One thing that alway bears repeating is that you should have one or two reels of tape (I keep a 10.5 and 7 inch) for all maintenance and repair. Never use an important tape for repairs. That includes test tapes. My 7" "fix-it" tape is a reel of fresh RMGI 911 on which I've recorded a bit of solo piano and some test tones (about 5 minutes of each). I've done some horrible things to that poor tape and when I think of it, I'll make a new reel and toss that one.

So, if you've been enjoying tape on your machine for 2 or 3 years and haven't done, or had done a "tune up",.. it's probably time.
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Re: Tape Machine Maintenance
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2010, 03:11:03 AM »
I would like to have as quiet a transport as possible, roller bearings, motor noise, reel table noise etc, fixed guide/part surface noise, basically the moving parts of the transport system.  I don't wan't to make mistakes like contaminating the tape path with a chemical leaking from something or cleaning and not properly lubing afterwords, I just need guidance in this area.

I want the transport system to be very gentle with tape.  How a transport starts and brakes and under what tension, how smoothly the tape path operates (I have little experience with this, trying to think through how to make a machine handle one of kind tape for example, it would be great to have that confidence in a machine to handle rare tape).

I want to keep the transport clean, it seems like cleaning can introduce debris into mechanical parts.  After investing so much effort in a machine would hate to be going backwards by sloppy or clumsy cleaning habits.
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Re: Tape Machine Maintenance
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2010, 07:54:28 PM »
Andy,
Sounds like you want a Studer!!!

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Re: Tape Machine Maintenance
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2010, 08:45:22 PM »
Hi Jay, to only luck into a Studer.  As I was writing my above post I realized a lot is probably machine dependent.
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Re: Tape Machine Maintenance
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2010, 11:25:12 PM »
Andy,
You're actually in a pretty good spot considering that your JH is working and you have a guy locally that knows that machine (I'm assuming we are talking about the MCI?).
If I was in your position, I'd enjoy the machine and spend some time learning everything you can about it.
Thank god for the internet,.. Can you imagine what it would be like to try and do this 15 years ago? Where would you even start?

There is a yahoo group devoted to Sony_APR series recorders which are somewhat related to the JH. You should join that group so you can look over their files and search for anything related to the 110.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/sony_apr/

Another place is the Tape Op message board. I know I followed a couple of threads there about the JH and a search there should uncover those and other threads.
http://messageboard.tapeop.com/
IIRC, one of the guys that was posting in one of those threads is a member here (Charles King AKA stellavox). If you start a thread asking for advice on that machine, you may find that Charles will be a great resource.

Another spot that I've stumbled across JH110 discussions have been over on Gear Slutz and I believe Pro Sound Web.

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/
http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/f/33/0

That machine isn't rare but it isn't exactly in widespread use so if you want to keep it for a while, you also need to find a full service manual for it. Maybe the guy you bought it from can let you copy his. If you have a manual than a tech who knows studio machines should be able to do almost any work on it but the likely hood of his having the right service manual is slim.

BTW, it's not unusual for studio machines to make some low level noise during operation even when they're working correctly.
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Re: Tape Machine Maintenance
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2010, 07:23:24 AM »
Thanks for the suggestions Steve, I will check out the other sites, I have the MCI JH set up and working pretty well (one channel does not do a full erase but the problem follows the head cable so should be a connection issue).  I was able to get the service manual and an extra set of heads in pretty decent condition (mounted in a headblock so was able to swap them in and check them).  The machine is mounted in a rolling broadcast cabinet (radio station type where the machine is almost vertical).  I guess the idea of maintenance didn't seem like a necessity until I got the mci.  I am trying to stock up on more parts. 
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Re: MCI JH-110
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2010, 11:50:45 AM »

That machine isn't rare but it isn't exactly in widespread use...

It shouldn't be rare. Back in the day there were more MCI machines in use than either Ampex or Studer. In the course of thirteen years the company grew from a local repair shop to become the world's largest manufacturer of professional tape machines AND the world's largest manufacturer of recording consoles. Then Sony bought them.

I've had loads of MCI machines (and one of their consoles) but they have all drifted away.

If you haven't discovered it already, their weak spot is the Molex connectors--they use dozens of them--which go intermittent over time. If I picked up one of these again, the first thing I would do is to clean and exercise all of those connectors, maybe even treat them with a contact preservative.

I actually did pick one up a couple of years ago, at an auction, because it is still my favorite deck for editing. However that machine was missing one major circuit board, and I didn't feel like hassling with it, so I gave the machine away.

Anyway, it's not the pinnacle of studio machines, but it's still pretty good, certainly good enough to give you an idea of how much the studio machines outclass the consumer machines.
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Re: Tape Machine Maintenance
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2010, 07:21:04 PM »
I adjusted the tension and idle last night.  After these few basic adjustments the whole feel of the tape handling seemed improved (still need to fine tune it but it made a big difference in how the transport handled tape).   I have to do all of the maintenance adjustments described in the manual (and will have to get the associated test equipment).  The molex connectors are a pain in terms of reliable connections, I will take your advice Paul and use a contact perservative on the connectors.

I like how cheap the parts can be had for online (relative to other brands).  The deck does take a lot more room but I like how accessible everything is (I don't have to take anything apart to access things in general).  I have the extra transport parts, there is the extra backplate for the transport which I want to have painted some cool color (the button/control area however will still be the wonderful original beige color). 

It is a lot of fun, I was worried that the maintenance aspect of owning a studio deck would be getting in over my head but it opens up a new appreciation and understaning of tape in general. 
Andrew Petty
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