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Technics RS1500 Supply/take motor up problems
« on: February 25, 2012, 08:34:48 PM »
My trusty 1500US will not longer play, fast forward or rewind. Capstan runs, speed select works. All of the power supply supply voltages are present.

Thread up a tape, press play: the pinch rollers pull in and contact tape, then release. The supply and take reels up do not turn.

Any ideas?

I have the service manual for the machine.

Don Worsham 

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Re: Technics RS1500 Supply/take motor up problems
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2012, 10:36:19 PM »
Hey Don,

Welcome to the forum.

If this started suddenly, my first guess would be that the last tape that was played on it had a case of sticky shed syndrome. One of the common results of playing one of these tapes is that it leaves sticky residue on the entire tape path. This residue is sticky enough to keep the tape from moving. It's a real mess!
If it is sticky shed, you're in for a major clean up of every surface of your tape path that contacts the tape. Alcohol will take a while so if you have a more powerful head cleaner, this is the time to use it.
It's a good idea to remove the headblock to do this kind of major cleaning. I usually remove the guides attached to the machine (not the headblock) just above the capstan and give your rollers a good cleaning.
All it takes is one speck left on the tape path for the next tape played to spread it. It's worth doing a thorough job or you have to start all over again.
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Re: Technics RS1500 Supply/take motor up problems
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2012, 03:36:51 PM »
Hi,

Thanks for the reply.

Tape path is clean. I often will rewind tapes outside of the head block with the to tape guide/rollers depressed far enough to close the sensors without any problems. However, the will not rewind or fast forward using this method.

The machine acts like it is not sensing anything in the tape path even when there is tape present and the capstan is turning.

The micro switch closures associated with the two tape tension/guide arms appear to be be operating properly. Either one will start the capstan.

My fear is that the has been a major failure in the logic board that controls the deck's play/rewind/fast forward operation.

All suggestions are welcomed.

Don Worsham

 


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Re: Technics RS1500 Supply/take motor up problems
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2012, 07:57:29 PM »
There's an auto shut off on the control board that stops the machine if no pulses from the reel motors is detected (at least, that's how I'm guessing it works).  It seems to take a half second or so to engage. If the reels should be turning (as in play, rewind etc) but aren't, it stops and (in play) the pinch rollers and tape lifter will disengage.
I would check all the easy stuff first (cause that's the kind of hair-pin I am) and be sure that nothing is binding or an adjustment hasn't slipped.
Speaking of easy, be sure that the "battery power" switch on the back is in the off position and check the internal fuses.
While you're at it, fool around with the "timer" , speed and pitch controls on the front. Those can be the source of odd behavior since they never get used and their contacts can get pretty oxidized.
Open the back and release the brakes (power off!) and see if both of the motors are turning freely.
While you're around the brakes, make sure that all the connections to the motor circuit board are still attached. One of mine just fell off a long time ago and it looked like just a single strand of the wire was originally soldered to the board. You have to remove the motor to fix it but as long as you don't drop one of the 3 screws into the bowels of the machine, it ain't too tough.
Then I'd pull and clean all the multi pin connectors and reseat them.

Try working the "tension" adjustment pots. These are pretty "cheap" parts (I keep meaning to replace mine) and get progressively harder and harder to adjust correctly. I can easily imagine that one of these might eventually get so bad that it becomes an open circuit.

So, try all that stuff off the top of my head and let us know how it goes.
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Re: Technics RS1500 Supply/take motor up problems
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2012, 12:55:41 PM »
The auto shut off failure describes the problem. I will see what the manual says.

Manually turning the take up and supply reels in "Play" has no effect. The reel brakes release in the "play" mode and are free turning, not tension.

Went through the battery switch. That's a good call as the units "battery" operation requires 3 voltages.

Same with the timer.

I had a problem many years ago with excessive take up torque. Took the unit to Technics twice-they could not find the reason. Had a friend who was an excellent tech. He solved the problem in a day-the speed change switch. In his words, "Lots of stuff goes through that switch."

Cleaned the switch-still have the problem.

I will go back to the motor circuit board and re check all of the connectors. They have all been cleaned.

Visual inspection didn't reveal anything except dust. Checked supply voltages and the reel control voltages. Everything checked out in stop. Since the Fast Forward/Rewind would not operated, those voltages could not be verified.

Thanks!!!!

Don Worsham

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Re: Technics RS1500 Supply/take motor up problems
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2012, 11:49:17 AM »
Hi Don,

How's the troubleshooting going?

If everything else seems to be checking out, it could be one of the IC's on the main control board.
Just like your tech said (about the speed selector switch), there's a lot that goes through those also.
When I've had to replace one of those (just a couple of times), the symptoms were somewhat similar to yours.
There are two different versions of the 1500 regarding these chips. One has a little circuit board attached to the back frame (with one IC and the oscillator) while the other has all 3 IC's on the main board (IIRC). The latter version requires a good bit of disassembly to get the board out. While the other one is a cinch.
The parts aren't easy to find but I do have some spares. If it comes down to it, PM me and we can go from there.

Before you decide it is one of the IC's, you need to check for leaky caps. Don't be fooled by a few that may have an opaque bluish glue on them.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2012, 11:53:47 AM by ironbut »
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Re: Technics RS1500 Supply/take motor up problems
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2012, 08:28:03 PM »
Found the problem late yesterday and fixed it.

The reel motor control boards, mounted on the left side of the machine as viewed from the rear had a DC power problem. The unit had been repaired some years ago and that repair required a trace to be jumped and another trace re soldered. This trace carried 15 volts to a part of to take up and supply reel control board had opened up where it had been re soldered.

The give away was the diodes in the  top and bottom of the board should read the same DC but did not. As i recall somewhtrere around 9 volts.
Diodes 701,703 and 7055 should read the same as Diodes 702, 704, 706
 
Thanks for of the great suggestions!!!

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Re: Technics RS1500 Supply/take motor up problems
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2012, 08:47:53 PM »
Attaboy Don!

Aways happy to hear that folks are able to fix their machines.
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