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Title: Studer Site
Post by: MylesAstor on March 13, 2010, 09:03:17 AM
Sure most here know about this site-but there may be a few who haven't seen it :)

]http://recordist.com/studer/index.html[url] (http://recordist.com/studer/index.html[url)[/url]

Myles
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: MylesAstor on March 13, 2010, 09:04:08 AM
Sorry should be:

http://recordist.com/studer/index.html (http://recordist.com/studer/index.html)

Myles
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: ironbut on March 13, 2010, 11:23:46 AM
Just to let you guys know, the Studer list is no longer active. Sadly, the interest was fading.
I would be interested if any of you guys know the address for archives of the list.
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: c1ferrari on March 13, 2010, 09:24:10 PM
Hi Steve,

For some reason, I think Ki might have it...

Best,
Sam
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: High and Outside on March 14, 2010, 12:58:10 AM
Sadly, Fred's Studer list is no more. I don't know the real story, but it wasn't because interest was waning. I downloaded all the archived posts while the list was still active, but they're not in a very accessible form. It's about 30 or so very long emails. Not easily searchable.

There is a new Studer list on Yahoo.    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STUDER/
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: ironbut on March 14, 2010, 02:01:30 AM
Thanks Paul,
I'll give the Yahoo group a try.
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: Ki Choi on March 15, 2010, 10:08:54 AM
Steve:

All the old StuderList posts are archived in the "file" section:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/STUDER/files/

It's not easy to find what you need... but makes it an interesting reading when you are stuck in an airplane for 10 hours...

thanks,
Ki
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: ironbut on March 15, 2010, 01:25:17 PM
Thanks Ki,
I was a member of the old list and read all the posts pretty religiously. That's not to say I understood them all (when I started reading them, there was very little that I did understand in fact) but I think I've got a better handle on things now so I should go back and read as much as there is.
Just like the Ampex list (which I recommend to our members who don't even have Ampexes) there's always a lot of threads pertaining to replacement of a particular part which may seem like something that you could do without reading, but quite often the discussion evolves into something altogether different.
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: Ki Choi on March 15, 2010, 03:06:34 PM
Hi Steve:

I've been out of computer science field for a long time since my college days but the old Studer List posts are in plain text file.  I wonder if we have a memeber who can convert the text file into some database or other indexing files based on subject headings that the contents can be searched with keywords...

Sony APR, Lyrec, and the New Studer List are where I frequently visit.  I'll have to look into the Ampex list though it could be a dangerous endeavor...  I just can't start a new Ampex collection. ;-)

Ki
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: mikel on March 15, 2010, 03:15:36 PM
I just can't start a new Ampex collection. ;-)

Ki

sure you can. all Ampex owners will be the better for it. my ATR-102 votes yes.

mikel
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: ironbut on March 15, 2010, 03:47:01 PM
Good to see that Mike is maintaining this forums tradition of enabling!

Ki, I think that you'll find the Ampex list a fantastic resource. Although it does have it's ups and downs in the number of postings per day, there is so much knowledge and experience there that some of the threads would be of interest to someone who has no interest in tape at all.
Last summer there was a thread started by one of the long time members here, Ken Fritz, asking for opinions on the difference in sound between Ampex 350/351/354. This quickly evolved into a discussion of which machines were used on different recordings which evolved into a discussion of the Beatles recordings and finally into different microphones used on particular great sounding recordings. There were over one hundred entries in this thread and many a link. Just fantastic stuff IMHO.
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: c1ferrari on March 16, 2010, 02:37:20 AM
Steve,

Thanks for that last post -- sounds like a very informative thread!

-Sam
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: C_Campbell on May 11, 2010, 09:23:48 AM
Hi Steve:

I've been out of computer science field for a long time since my college days but the old Studer List posts are in plain text file.  I wonder if we have a member who can convert the text file into some database or other indexing files based on subject headings that the contents can be searched with keywords...

Ki

Hello all,

After joining the Yahoo Studer group, I too started reading the old Studer List posts. Or, I should say, I tried to start reading them, because the lack of formatting makes them extremely difficult to follow. Because I have my own long-term audio archiving project and wanted to have access to the collected wisdom of the Studer List, this past week I started learning about grep searching and "regular expressions" so that I could process the Studer List files in TextWrangler.

There are seven sections, collectively containing more than 10,000 posts, and I've got most of them in fairly readable shape already (it's pretty wild to do a search and replace operation on just one of the seven sections and see that 89k replacements were made!). Unfortunately, there is a randomly distributed set of about 250 posts that are almost completely undifferentiated masses of characters with no tabs or line feeds. Now I'm slowly slicing those down into the line-based units of all the other posts, and then manually selecting the body of the post for a "hard wrap" to make them readable.

When I'm finished, my intention is to import the whole archive into a searchable Filemaker database. In addition, since not everyone needs or uses a database like Filemaker, it would probably make sense to export the whole list as a simply formatted plain text document that is, at least, readable. I'll keep you posted on my progress.
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: ironbut on May 11, 2010, 12:41:46 PM
Wow,
Way to go Christopher!
We look forward to hearing more about your progress.
There really is an awful lot of collective wisdom and wonderful discussions locked up in those files. And while I've never owned a Studer, there were very few threads that I skipped over.
Thanks for all your hard work!
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: High and Outside on May 11, 2010, 02:23:25 PM
Yo, Christopher!

Go ahead on with your bad self!

I admire your willingness to put in the time. That body of knowledge is worth having available to all. Please let us know how it progresses.

And just as an aside, when you were boning up on "regular expressions," did you run across the "Regular Expression Pocket Guide?" It's all beyond me, but I have it on good authority (from my son, who wrote it) that it's a useful book--to people who already understand it all.
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: c1ferrari on May 11, 2010, 06:22:34 PM
Hi Christopher,

Thanks for your effort :-)
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: C_Campbell on May 11, 2010, 07:34:40 PM
Hi Paul,

The whole world of grep and regular expressions is a completely new one to me, but I'm discovering that it is fantastically powerful. It had been my intention to strip out most of the email header material in the Studer List so that just "From," "To," and "Subject" were left, and I was gradually performing hundreds of search and replace operations to do this. What I didn't realize at the outset was how variable the email record structure was, and how many damaged/incomplete/anomalous records there were. So I lost a couple of days of work when I discovered that I had these weird floating fragments at the end of the process. On this second iteration, I'm processing the records much more slowly and gently, working with each of the seven segments individually and dealing with the problem records more systematically. I'm very aware that this is not only an important source of information for those of us going forward into the future with open-reel recorders, but the historical record of a large number of prominent people, and it's terribly important that I not distort it in any way. At this point, I'm fairly certain that every character ? some 12 million of them! ? will be exactly where they were originally, or were supposed to be.

When the TextWrangler documentation wasn't adequate to what I needed to do, I ordered a copy of Jeffrey Friedl's _Mastering Regular Expressions_ on the recommendation of a friend. I'll have to look up your son's book, as that may come in handy too ? thanks for the recommendation.
Title: Re: Studer Site
Post by: Ki Choi on May 13, 2010, 04:22:37 PM
I knew someone could solve this problem.  Thanks, Christopher.  We wait for your project end.

In the meantime, I had figured out an interim solution to merger the 7 Studer List text files into a one huge (24.6 meg) file using MS Notepad.
After saving it as a single text file, I was able to use the Search menu Find and "Find Next" for key words.

It's not eligant but worked for me.

Ki