Tape Project Forum
General Category => Prerecorded Tapes => Topic started by: sandman on January 04, 2009, 10:46:43 PM
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Hi all,
thought this might be of some interest. I recently acquired a HUGE collection of pre-recorded tapes approximately 4000+. Mostly classical. Very large B-C collection as well. I will begin the tedious process of cataloging the collection when I return from CES, I have had it for several months, but have just been to interested in listening to it. Here are some pictures. I can tell you this, there are some incredible treasures in this collection. I have spent countless hours listening to these and have concluded that there is not a more musical format. Simply amazing how good they can be.
http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq150/kriskosiba/Tapes/DSCN3277.jpg
http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq150/kriskosiba/Tapes/DSCN3276.jpg
http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq150/kriskosiba/Tapes/DSCN3275.jpg
http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq150/kriskosiba/Tapes/DSCN3274.jpg
Kris
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Yikes! That's one hell of an buy Kris. Is there a story behind the collection? Was it privately owned etc.?
Just so you know, it's best to store your tapes in a cool environment with middle to low moisture. Sudden changes in either is bad too. Maybe this is old news to you but I'd hate to see such a nice collection have problems with mold or the like.
I have to agree with you about the almost magical quality of a nice performance on reel to reel. If I have a good tape of a recording, my vinyl version doesn't get much attention.
Enjoy those tapes and be sure to let us know which one is your favorite in about 10 years!
Welcome to the forum.
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Hi,
Thanks. Yes this was part of a private collection. There were actually about 1000 more. These were owned by an older gentleman who was moving and didn't listen to them much anymore, so decided it wasn't worth the trouble to try to bring them. They were his lifes collection dating back to the fifties. As far as storage, They are in a basement who's mean temp is about 60-65, with lower humidity. One thing I have definitely found is that by in large rock music as a whole is not even close to the jazz and classical in recording quality in both 3 3/4 and 7 1/2 ips. Its sad really.
Kris
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WOW!!! what a great collection!!!
Jay
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Kris, I don't know how much experience you have with magnetic tape but there are some resources regarding the care and feeding of them as well as your tape machine. These are located at the top of the General Forum in stickies (a Beginners guide and a list of links). Pay particular attention to the section regarding older acetate tapes since these are very delicate and require careful handling to avoid breaking. These were also made during a time in which reel to reel tape was considered an elite medium and were produced with pride and can sound fantastic.
It's too bad that many of the rock recordings were made to such a low standard. I don't have very many in my collection for this same reason. Every once in a while I do find a real gem but this seems to be the exception rather than the rule. If you come across some of these "gems" in your listening, I would really appreciate it if you'd list them here. Hmm, actually, I think I'll start a separate thread for all the members to list them.
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Thanks for the heads up on the sticky thread. I have gotten a decent crash course on tape care, but this really helped explain the "why" in the maintenance. One thing that piqued my interest was on the calibration of the machine itself. I have a Pioneer RT-701, which I find to be a well made machine, but the electronics I feel are old, and really have no reference or baseline of operation. I am waiting on a custom tube head amp(can't wait for that:) But it begs the question, that while I am not really concerned with updating the internal audio electronics, who repairs and services the mechanicals of these machines that truly still "knows" how to work on these machines. thanks.Kris
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Well sticky tapes are easy to deal with ... * TOSS *
My problem is turning out to be warped reels ... sigh.
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Kris, if you give us your location, one of the members may be able to help you out finding a good tech. Those 700 series machines seem like a pretty good choice for listening to 7" reels. A few of the other members here have them for that purpose. It's a good idea to get a service manual to take with you since some techs won't have one for your particular machine. I'm sure it would be easy enough to buy one from someone like Stereomanuals.com. You might find that there are only service manuals for the 707 but I believe it's the same except it has auto reverse too. If you have a tough time finding a good local shop, your machine isn't huge or heavy so sending it out wouldn't be so tough either. These guys are a little pricey but they do specialize in machines like yours. If you feel like it's worth it, they can go over the whole thing and get it running like new.
http://www.reelprosoundguys.com/productservice.html
I don't have any personal experience with them but I've heard they do nice work (for whatever that's worth).
Ben, I feel your pain regarding whacked out reels. If I adjust my reel tables so the tape winds exactly in the middle of the hub, then about 10% of my tapes rub the flange. I sure wish I could find a stash of low torque (big hub) plastic 7" reels out there.
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Here are a few of the large hub 7" available on Ebay...
item # 270305260818
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Very confusing just what is for sale there.
For now any dud tapes with good reels ... toss the tape, keep the reel.
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Very confusing just what is for sale there.
For now any dud tapes with good reels ... toss the tape, keep the reel.
Seems straightforward to me...
10 large hub 7" reels for $9.95 buy it now + $7 shipping to the US.
Last I looked they had 3 more available lots of 10.
They apparently carry other tape supplies in their store too.
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Yeah, thanks Steve, I've got 20 on their way to me now. I don't know about that wooden splicing block though. I guess I shouldn't say unless I've tried one though. Maybe the razor blades wouldn't get dull quite so fast?
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I bought one lot of 10 myself.
I presume these are left over new old stock and so not suitable in quantity for the TP test tape.
I have seen from other threads that these are not being made now.
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What a great collection!!
Let me know if you plan on selling any of the 2 track tapes.
David
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I received the plastic 7" low torque empty reels and they appear to be left over stock perhaps from a tape duplication factory. They may have had labels on them at one time but I can't say for sure. They aren't quite as deluxe as the RMGI reels I have but they appear to be well made. A few have some surface scratches and one (out of 20) has a small crack in it. Overall, I'd say that if you might see the need to have some of these low torque (big hub) 7" reels, they are well worth the price which is very low. Thanks again Steve for hooking us up with these.
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hi all, I just got back from CES, and was very pleased to see that there were quite a few people playing tape. I also was able to go to the J-corder room which was interesting. Some beatiful technics in there. In regards to selling some of the 2 tracks, I actually may look at selling off some of my doubles, triples, etc. I counted right at 600 Barclay Crocker recordings alone. of which there are quite a few doubles. I will start getting a list together.
Kris
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I assume all BC tapes are Dolby. If you have any non-encoded tapes I might
consider buying some too.
BTW while OT, does anybody know what Digital Dolby is? You see that everywhere
on dvd's and here I thought digital was the perfect medium for no noise.
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Dolby is a large company which has some of it's operations based in San Francisco. It is named after Ray Dolby (who I actually met once !)
They started off making various forms of noise reduction first for studios, then for consumer goods. Dolby A, B, C etc.
They have branched out into other areas.
Dolby Digital AKA AC3 is a digital codec for the storage of 6 channels of audio that is commonly used for both theater sound and on home DVDs in the familiar 5.1 format. It is not a noise reduction system as such.
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Grumbles ... I just want stereo for my TV and movies.
I really wonder how much sound quality is lost in digital processing
your sound for your home theatre speaker set up.
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Regarding the Barclay-Crocker releases, they are all either Dolby B encoded or dBx encoded. The dBx ones were done fairly late in their catalog and were also released with Dolby. They never did release any non-encoded tapes. The other variables you'll find is a few were recorded digitally and while the early digital vinyl was just awful (like Denon PCM) these aren't that bad. Another format difference is that there's a handful of BCs that are unidirectional. That is, even though they're still 1/4 track tapes, they were recorded in one direction only (tails out).
These are recordings with unusually wide dynamics and they did these tapes this way to avoid crosstalk.
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One correction to the last posting. In the last couple years, B-C converted to dBx encoding at a time when they believed there still was a market. The first release was a release of previously released Dolby B encoded tapes. After that, their tapes were only done in dBx, not both. You don't see these very often has only a few were released and they soon stopped production and closed.
A few tapes were done as a unidirectional tape, but these, too, were encoded and, not really a different format as they, too, were 4 track.
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I didn't realize that they released dBx only recordings. Maybe just the last couple? I know of maybe 10 or so that I've got with Dolby B but for the most part, I pass over the dBx releases and I've never really kept up with them. I think that dBx was the last gasp of a few reel to reel efforts. I never liked the pumping (especially on headphones).
We do get a visit here from time to time from one of the guys that worked for them in their production facilities.
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There were 2 types of DBX if I recall correctly. DBX Pro which is what I have on my Tascam TSR 8 and my Teac X2000r does not suffer from the pumping sound. I prefer it over Dolby. The DBX consumer version was known for its pumping. I have never owned anything with the conusmer version of DBX, so I don't know how bad the pumping can be. But I hear it sucks. I wonder which kind of DBX encoders were used on the BC tapes???
Ken
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Hi Ken, if I recall correctly, it was the 122/124 consumer level ones so it wasn't the multi band ones like studios used (that minimized the pumping). I had a 122 back in the 70's when I had an A77 and although I never had any commercially produced dBx tapes, I used it for live recording and compilation tapes (from lp) and I gave up on it and converted my machine to 1/2 track (which was expensive even back then).
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It was the dbx II. I don't recall the pumping, but haven't listened to them in a while. When I get a chance, I'll list the dbx only ones. They were on the Philips, Quintessence and Pro Arte labels. And, yes this was the last gas. The only others I know that were done in dbx II were from Direct-to-Tape Recordings, who also dubed in 1:1 format, but I believe it was done on consumer recorders.