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Reel to Reel Tape Machines / Re: NAGRA-T-AUDIO
« on: February 27, 2009, 04:21:41 AM »
Nice toy you have Studer, looks like you have a first version T- Audio there (or at least a machine with the first type of control panel), and there also seem to be four speed equalisation modules present. While the transport has four speeds as standard (3.75, 7.5, 15 and 30 I.P.S - I think), usually most machines came fitted with just two (7.5 and 15 I.P.S) EQ modules. What?s more is that they look like the more desirable TACAL units which have the Nagramaster EQ option which from memory have pre-distortion circuits and can give a few dB improvement in SN.

In my limited experience Nagra manuals are usually fairly difficult to find if not already supplied with the machine. I have had my T for almost a decade now and I only ever found the time code based user instructions. However Nagra themselves will no doubt have a complete set available (and still most spares) but at a considerable price. It might be worth trying your local agents or the factory direct.


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Yes these things always seem to go for vast amounts of money, far more than one would think they would be worth.

They are of course beautifully engineered, probably very effective and a far better ?solution? to providing 10 Inch reel capability than the Stellavox rubber band affair that they came up with. But for the combined cost of a Nagra portable and one of these adapters one could probably find a rather better full size recorder with large reel capability in the first place.

But there again if you are a Nagra collector with pots of cash, what?s the problem?


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Reel to Reel Tape Machines / Re: Interesting new toy on the way
« on: December 10, 2008, 05:58:58 AM »
Hi and respects to everyone.

I have been following Doc?s work on the Nagra T with some interest as I have had mine for some several years now. And while still deeply in love with it I have though sometimes wondered about it?s true and actual sound quality. While a joy to behold, wonderfully machined, electronically very complex (I have never understood how to fully work the time code system), it was of course designed for professional use and is thus is full of ?good engineering practice?, especially being a Nagra. But as was with most professional audio equipment, ultimate fidelity may not have been a top priority. Indeed when the basic two track machine was introduced (sometime late 1970?s?) the audio world had yet to discover those new uncertainties of subjectivity.

I am also lucky enough to have a Stellavox SU8 to play with, though without the ?interesting to use? large reel adapters. Both these machines form part of a small collection of what I think of as iconic tape recorders and are not much used for serious listening, Actually I have never bothered to set them up for the tape I have available (Quantegy 456 mostly) for a proper comparative listening session as neither machine is simple to re-align. The T which was factory set up for AGFA PEM468 requires the addition of different pre-aligned boards, and the Stellavox requires the changing of various hard wired components in the head block. As any serious recording here has for some time been done on DAT, CD-R and now hard disk, there seemed little point in spending time (and cash) tweaking what some would regard as very obsolete museum pieces, though present company excepted!

But you know I am not surprised that the T with all its internal connectors, out of favour op-amps, (and probably) logic controlled FET switches and the balancing transformers, and the metering bridge may have some fidelity issues. I was thinking along the same lines as Doc to get some sort of direct output from the playback head. Though while there is a very fine Nagra playback head, beautifully mounted in its solid machined head block, not knowing its characteristics I concluded that I could well be wasting my time in attempting a direct output. My machine is also fitted with the high speed dub output, which I assume bypasses most of the playback electronics. But there again probably also bypasses the de-emphasis network as well, so would be of little use as well. I did however consider taking a fairly direct output via the shorting links to the blank (and never used) noise reduction board area on the record / repro boards. A plug and quality wire from here to a nice phono socket at the front of the machine, together possibly with a change over switch (internal electronics or direct out) might be a possibility. While passing through some of the Nagra electronics; head preamp deemphasis etc, the signal would bypass much of the rest in the machine.

But now Doc is doing all the work and I await with interest his findings. As someone who has vaguely been around a few serious tape recorders over the years I would not be surprised if the Nagra T transport proved to be a near ideal if costly Tape Project chassis. On the other hand I would not be surprised if it didn?t (though I suspect it will prove to be better than the Technics) But in the mean time a Nagra T doesn?t actually have to do anything much to give one a nice cosy feeling inside?

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Tape Tech / Re: Dolby A Decoders
« on: November 19, 2008, 09:51:18 AM »
For what it is worth, just a few personal thoughts from my own limited experience of Dolby A and the 361 series unit in particular.

I think it is fair to say that any form of processing will be a balance of good and bad. Dolby A was the first virtually transparent form of audio noise reduction, and probably single handed gave rise to the (once) modern multitrack recording industry. Sure there were other and rather later devices from people such as DBX and Telex (their telcom system even plugged into a 361 frame) but they were thought at the time to be less transparent or have fairly obvious artefacts.

The problem, was that it was becoming increasingly obvious that the cumulative build up of noise (both in decrease of S/N ratio and in the increase in modulation noise) was making the newly developed multitrack tape formats of the early 1970?s almost unusable. But Ray Dolby?s new system almost by chance made multutrack workable enough to become the new way of manufacturing popular music. No longer need a group of musicians come together to make a recording, but various bits of a ?track? could be stuck together and at various times like the components of a motor car to make complete the end ?product?. Backing track, lead and vocals all recorded at different times and sometimes even on different continents could be glued together (during the reduction as it was known) to make a seamless whole. And all this mostly because of Dolby A, which was probably the most significant innovation in the audio business since the invention of the tape machine itself. Later the different though still analogue Dolby SR system was developed to combat the then up and coming digital formats. By then though virtually all analogue master tapes would have been Dolby A encoded, and every disk cutting suite would have had a pair of 361s in the playback mastering chain.

Now while U47 is of course correct about Decca using the first A-301 systems they did however change over to their own digital mastering system (for classical music) in the late 1970s. Interesting that the 361/Cat 22 is thought to be a step down in sonics to the 301, certainly when I was a trainee recording engineer (tape op) in a minor London studio in the early 70?s, racks of 361s working with Ampex or Studer machines were thought to be the last word in quality back then, and were to become the de-facto standard for years to come. I do however remember that Angus Mackenzie wrote in his review of the 301 that one could by removing certain boards use it to clean up old 78 recordings(!). Which you can?t do that with a Cat 22 module. 

The fully interchangeable Cat 22 modules in their 1U 361 rack units were a much more convenient package than the first Dolby 301s once it became obvious that the multitrack studio was to be Dolby A?s true home. Partly because they were much smaller (though surprisingly heavy) but more importantly that they had remote control of record and replay switching, so that a single signal from say the tape machine?s control panel could switch a whole bank of (8, 16, 24) Dolbys from record to replay mode. The Dolby 301 units contained a stereo pair of record/replay channels (and separate boards for the 4 individually processed frequency bands) while the 361 was an integrated single channel of record and replay processing with one Cat 22 module. Later, Cat 22 modules would be fitted to even more compact multiple rack mounts. I am not sure how many of those Tant beads were used in the signal lines as the circuit was pretty secret but naturally they may have had some detrimental effect. (I found that the much more expensive metal cased tantalums could sound even worse). But of course professional audio equipment was never designed as hi-fi equipment in the first place, it just had to work reliably day in and day out.

My own personal experience of the A-361 system was with a pair bought from the BBC some years ago. Once used in their Mada Vale studios, I used them with both my Stellavox SU8 and an Akai GX77 for mostly recording Jazz FM  broadcasts from a Yamaha CT7000 tuner. Interfacing was a pain as they had balanced (of course) ins and outs, no gain controls (only fine trimmers) and needed a healthy input signal at something like + 4dBm. They were of after all designed to work from the output of a professional mixing desk. Once set up and working though the most obvious effect was a considerable reduction of tape noise with none of the treble and transient  problems of Dolby B (or C), but there were other more subtle effects in that these units reduced crosstalk, modulation noise and made the recordings (even at 3 ? IPS) sound cleaner and ?nicer?. While of course daft, taped Dolby A recordings of Lps seemed to sound rather better than the originals?

I don?t use them now for in this world of exotic cables and connectors having a couple of transformer coupled audio processors in the signal path seems to be a bit of a problem philosophically. And anyway for simple ? track recording with a slight amount of tape noise seems not a problem.

Sorry to go on.
 

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Tape Project Albums - general / Re: Before you play those tapes!
« on: November 18, 2008, 06:42:44 AM »
Hi everyone greetings, respects and what a really interesting project this is. I am very impressed and I am hoping to get enough pennies together to subscribe sometime. I thought reel-to-reel had become just another exhibit for the Jurassic Park, but now I can look at my own few relics with new eyes?

However, as regards this problem of the power going off when in fast wind mode, I don?t know, but having played around with reel-to-reel tape machines (both domestic and professional) for a few decades I would expect that a correctly designed and adjusted recorder (which naturally you would only be using to play such tapes on)  would just come to a halt quite safely, without having to resort to the trouble and expense of using a UPS.

I also have a sneaking suspicion that the quality of mains that such devices typically provide (such as quality of waveform, frequency stability / accuracy, or even RFI emissions) while fine for driving things like computers and their ilk, might not be the sort of thing to be associated with a high quality analogue music playback system. Especially one having the sensitivity and philosophy of this project?

Perhaps one only needs to see what happens by switching off your machine with some  unimportant tape loaded, and if there is a problem then adjust or have the deck?s breaking system adjusted accordingly.

Just a thought.

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