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Otari mx5050 speed issue
« on: May 22, 2010, 04:19:02 PM »
Hey guys I was wondering if you could help me out with something. I have noticed that at the beginning of tapes my pitch is off (on the high side) but then as it gets to the middle of the tape it levels off and sounds great. I was thinking this could be a tension lever problem? Idk but I do have a entire extra otari for parts on hand, so if you guys could point to some parts that may be the culprits please let me know.

Also I have noticed that my pinch roller is not going up and down all the time when play and stop are hit. When this happens I just put pressure on the pinch roller and it fixes the problem.  It sounds like it needs some lube but how and what do I use for this?


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Re: Otari mx5050 speed issue
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2010, 07:45:35 PM »
I get this as well, start playing a tape and the pitch is too high, then after a few seconds it comes right.. I have a brand new pinch roller too. Any ideas?

Aaron

P.S my mx5050 is a MKIII
« Last Edit: May 25, 2010, 07:55:57 PM by stinkey diver »
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Re: Otari mx5050 speed issue
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2010, 11:15:43 PM »
I wouldn't be shocked if both of you guys have the same issue.
The pivot for the pinch roller is probably gummed up.
And, as they say, a picture is worth a thousand words (in my case, I usually go for closer to 10k).

http://photos.naples.net/index.cfm?go=gallery.slideshow&albumsid=720&rownumber=7

BTW, the entire slideshow that this picture comes from has a couple of other good tips.
This and lot of other good stuff is located above the General Forum in a sticky of Reel to Reel links.
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Re: Otari mx5050 speed issue
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2010, 08:51:24 PM »
I did some recording on my 5050 last night. It seems that when I play back the track the pitch seems to drop half a step through out play-back and there seems to be a slight tremolo effect going on.. Any ideas what to look for? I will try get some audio/video footage if it helps..
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Re: Otari mx5050 speed issue
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2010, 10:00:46 PM »
It sounds like the same issue as before.
Did you lubricate that pivot?
Lot of these speed related problems are generally caused by something in the tape path that's either not pulling the tape through correctly or presenting some friction.
Lubricating that pivot allows the pinch roller to apply enough pressure to the tape/capstan interface so whatever speed the capstan is moving at, the tape will too.

The other most common cause of speed irregularities is a dirty tape path. There are some tapes that exhibit what's call stick shed syndrome. It's a breakdown of the binder that holds the oxide onto the tapes backing. This leaves tiny bits of sticky stuff from one end of the tape path (particularly on the heads and the inside corners of the guides) and when there's enough of it, it can stop the machine dead in it's tracks.
One thing you need to remember is that tapes can be damaged by having too much tension applied to them while being played. For this reason, the tension needs to be just high enough overcome the normal friction created by the tape path. To make a long story short, it doesn't take much resistance to effect the tape speed.
So, take a magnifier of some sort and a good light and clean the tape path completely. If there's sticky shed, this will take up to half an hour (alcohol won't clean this stuff off). If you've cleaned it and it just took a minute or two, you haven't done what I'm talking about. These specks of sticky stuff might be as small as the point of a pin but if you have enough of these, it would explain your problem.
BTW, the tape most commonly associated with sticky shed is Ampex/Quantegy 456 but most of the production from these two companies after the mid 70's is also suspect. There are other tape formulas that have this issue too so be sure and use something like some fresh RMGI tape for your testing. Otherwise, every time you play the same tape, it will deposit more on the tape path and you'll have to clean it all over again.
« Last Edit: May 31, 2010, 02:42:11 AM by ironbut »
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Re: Otari mx5050 speed issue
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2010, 01:36:04 AM »
Another possibility is that your pinch roller pressure is way off (as in very low).  First, see if the new PR is the exact same size as the old one.  If not, then that size difference can effect the pressure.  Without any tape loaded, engage the play switch so that the PR engages the capstan (you'll need to tape the right tension arm in the up position to do this).  See how difficult it is to stop the PR when you grab it.  It should take a lot of force to stop it. When it does stop, the capstan shaft should also stop or spin quite slowly.  If the PR stops quite easily when you grab it and the capstan continues to spin at full speed, then you have very low pressure which will cause tape-slip and excess wow/flutter.
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Re: Otari mx5050 speed issue
« Reply #6 on: June 09, 2010, 03:05:46 PM »
Hi Guys

I've taken the unit to my local reel repair man and he has found a fault in the capstan motor circuits. He needs a copy capstan servo circuit layout.. Any ideas where I can find one of these? I have given him the manual with the machine so I'm assuming its not in there..

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Re: Otari mx5050 speed issue
« Reply #7 on: June 09, 2010, 03:27:33 PM »
Ah, I found a schematic at analogrules.com. I'll let you know how I get on..
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Re: Otari mx5050 speed issue
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2010, 04:47:06 PM »
Hi Aaron,

Glad you found your schematic.
Darkhorse has compiled most of the documentation for the different 5050 machines so you may give your tech the link in this thread also.

http://www.tapeproject.com/smf/index.php/topic,1545.0.html

I said that I'd post this up in the reel to reel links page located above the General Forum in a sticky months ago,.. sorry.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2010, 04:48:45 PM by ironbut »
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Re: Otari mx5050 speed issue
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2010, 02:53:21 PM »
Good news everyone! According to my technician the only reason the machine had a problem was that the capstan reference switch was set to external! He moved it to internal and the machine works fine. Woop
« Last Edit: June 14, 2010, 04:59:53 PM by stinkey diver »
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Re: Otari mx5050 speed issue
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2010, 04:19:13 PM »
Good deal Aaron!
I never woulda thought of that since,.. I had no idea that a capstan reference switch existed on that machine.
Thanks for cluing us in on the solution.

Hmm,.. I hope that macd23 is getting this!
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